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    I agree with you. I don't like to buy worn clothes but I do love bargain shopping. However, when my children were younger, I did sometimes buy stuff for them at the Salvation Army. The thing I would never do is buy shoes from a thrift store. Yuck.

    I love thrift stores for some of the same reason you like regular stores: I find the environment much less stressful. I like the fact that there is often liimited selection. I hate to shop (so my preference really is to buy as little as possible or shop online). At a thrift store, I can quickly look through a limited selection and I'm not overwhelmed by too many potential options.

    Shoe stores, however, are another matter. I love shoes.

    Amy - yes, someone on another blog told a story of getting plantar warts that lasted for four years from thrifted shoes! ick!

    Susan - that's funny, I find thrift stores much more overwhelming in terms of selection - but I'm sure that depends on the stores in question (both thrift and non-thrift). And the person. :-) And it's true that there are no pushy salespeople in thrift stores!

    Oh, NK, you and I really *were* separated at birth! I *heart* you for this post. Every time I read a comment on my "Debt" post from people who said they only shopped in thrift stores, I thought, "Really? Even for conference/interview clothes?" And then I pictured them in grandpa sweaters.

    I know, I know, they probably *weren't* wearing grandpa sweaters, but that's what I think of when I think of thrift stores. And it's kind of hilarious and stupid that I do think that way, because, for crying out loud, I donate and/or sell *MY* clothes to thrift/resale shops. Clearly, I'm just doing it wrong when it comes to shopping there!

    Now *outlet* stores and discount Steinmart/Ross/TJ Max type stores, etc., I can handle. But yeah, it's harder to go in to one of those with something specific in mind, though not impossible. It is pretty much impossible in a thrift store, though.

    I think what frustrates me the most about thrift/resale shops, though, is the fact that there's only one of everything. And I'm hard to fit. I tend to go back again and again to the brands/stores that I know work for my body and my style -- can't really do that with a thrift store. Though some of the better, resale stores have lots from the usual suspects -- Banana Republic, for example -- they're still only going to have one of each thing.

    When I was younger, I did a little more shopping among used clothes, but then it was generally more of the era-specific *vintage* kind of thing, and it was mostly jackets (worn over other clothing, of course) and jewelry (especially for clip-on earrings, since my ears weren't pierced).

    But let's face it, NK -- we're pretty damn bourgie, aren't we? :)

    There are some really nice thrift stores around here carrying the discarded clothing of the very wealthy. I've had my own donations rejected at these places! And yet, I won't shop there. I'm sure I could find reasonable stuff if I tried, but no, I just can't bear to go in.

    I found a great interview suit at a thrift store in Berkeley when I was visiting a friend. I found some other useful basics at thrift stores when I was fresh out of grad school and kind of broke. I don't really shop in thrift stores any more, partly because I've become much harder to fit.

    I bought two much loved grandpa sweaters at thrift stores in about 1995, so if that's what you're looking for. . .

    I used to enjoy thrift stores, but I don't shop them anymore. I find the size thing frustrating as others have mentioned. Also, it obviously depends where you live how likely it is you will discover great items: in a small and not wealthy town like mine the pickings can be very slim. In my experience, finding the great interview suit or whatever will only happen in stores in larger and more affluent areas.

    I do! I like thrift stores for several reasons 1) It feels like an adventure- I don't know what I will find! 2) Thrift stores are generally smaller than department stores. I HATE malls. They don't get light or natural air. I feel like I can't breathe. 3) I'm getting a bargain! I can often find designers whose clothes I can never afford (you need to keep in mind there are all kinds of thrift stores- some are the bargain basement $2 salvation army or buffallo exchange style (which can also have great stuff, but its a lot more sifting) and some have things that resale for thousands of dollars. So you need to figure out what store you are looking for. I got my interview suite in a resale store. It was chanel. I could afford it. I got the job. 4) It encourages me to try new things- that way I find out what I REALLY look good in, instead of just what I think I do. It pushes my boundaries.

    I agree with Susan. I get overwhelmed in department stores: rack upon rack of black skirts, grey pants, coats, whatever. In a thrift store (or a small boutique, for that matter) either they have what I want or they don't, and I can tell quickly whether I'm in or I'm out, so to speak. I hate shopping, in general; it's just that small and/or thrift stores are less stressful than big stores. Online is even better so long as I know how the brand fits.

    I did and do buy new for interview clothes/clothes to wear when dealing with the provost. But when presented for years with styles I dislike or that don't suit me (low waists!), the only thing to do is keep hunting for old stuff. And it does depend on where you are; bougie neighborhoods have fantastic stuff in consignment stores.

    Sir John feels the way you do about used clothing. I've stopped mentioning where my clothes come from, so as not to trigger his fastidious impulses.

    I can imagine someone who grew up poor swearing "never again" once they grew up and got money (Scarlett O'Hara fashion: I'll never go hungry again!), but I do think one's bougie-ness has a lot to do with early experiences. Sir John was poorer than I was, as a grad student, but grew up richer, and I think that accounts for a lot of the differences in what the two of us can tolerate in the way of shabby surroundings etc.

    We don't have a good thrift store in northern town. There's one consignment store that I check locally, but I can't ever find pants that fit well (or would work with tailoring). I used to have better luck in the big city when I was in grad school (I was an easier size to fit and the selection was much better). I also used to sew a lot of my own clothes: even whipped up a two-piece suit out of Liberty of London light wool for the conference circuit!

    Honestly, though, I don't buy a lot of clothes: my sister takes me out on our annual vacation and we find an outlet store for my favourite retailer and I stock up there. Otherwise, it's just tees and undergarments that I need to buy regularly.

    Oh, and shoes (if I can't get them resoled). I never buy used shoes: they conform through wear and you're rarely going to be comfortable in secondhand footwear. Plus the whole contagion story up there. Ew!

    I have always shopped thrift and consignment stores because honestly, I am not that interested in being on the cutting edge of whatever is Hot This Season and there are people who discard perfectly usable clothes because they are no longer Hot This Season, which means I can find good quality brands that are well-made and in good shape.

    I also really enjoy dressing in super out of fashion clothes that belonged to someone's grandma and the good will is a good place to work that out.

    On top of that, I loved Ross so much I got a job there and looooved working there. Ross is, for my money, a bit nicer than TJMaxx and Marshall's (which are the same company). And I've worked at TJMaxx, too, and I can tell you that Ross is a lovely company to work for and TJMaxx is so not. But I digress.

    The principle of shopping in these places is the same and it is quite different from department store shopping. In dept. stores (and boutiques), merchandise is displayed in such a way that it tells a story. This top with these pants and/or this skirt. It becomes very easy to imagine where this belongs in an overall wardrobe. And you can just stroll in and see what they have at a glance--or even window shop.

    In stores with lots of clothes on long racks, you really have to commit some time to just flipping through each item. I've had many friends say they never find anything (while I always do) and when I ask if they stand there are look at every item in their size and they inevitably say no. but that's what it takes. You can't glance. You have to dig. You also have to imagine what belongs where with what because the merchandisers aren't there to do it for you.

    I actually dislike goodwill because they arrange by color instead of by size (at least in some stores). I need to know I'm looking at my size. But at that point, I take the time to slide each hanger across and look at every garment. Look for good brands and classic styles and you can turn up treasures that way.

    I have thrifted in the past when my friend who was almost but not quite my size enjoyed doing so. That was nice because she'd try on things and they wouldn't quite fit, then I'd try them on and they would and I'd buy it. Easy peasy.

    I hate shopping.

    I do it about once every two years. In the past I have sometimes been lucky to have a friend willing to play personal shopper who just picks stuff out for me, I try it on, I buy what fits. When I'm not that lucky, I do a massive spree at the after Christmas sales of whatever city our big conference is at. Usually I hit Ann Taylor and Brooks Brothers at those because they tend to have classics that fit grown-ups (Ann Taylor for tops and skirts, Brooks Brothers for professional pants).

    I need some more business casual GAP pants (size 8A) to replace the 5 year old ones that are dying. I'm really big on minimal time spent shopping for clothing that's professional but doesn't have much personality. Clothing I can mix and match half asleep.

    i shopped some consignment places in college bc it was a rich area and i found lots of great stuff. but now, i am afraid of bedbugs. like so afraid i am now scared of craigslist, it's a problem.

    I like thrifting and have done it for years. In Field Town, one of our only stores is a Mennonite-run thrift store that has FABULOUS skirts for some reason--their shirts are terrible, but I now have like 8 or so patterned skirts that I love and that ran me about $2/each. Grab a couple of solid tee-shirts and hello, warm-weather teaching wardrobe!

    I generally hate clothes shopping, like many of the thrifters who've written in; is this a trend? Do people who hate "regular" shopping somehow gravitate towards thrift stores? I don't know exactly why that would be--maybe something to do with attitudes towards consumption? Eh, I digress. To resume:

    My hatred comes from a) not liking spending money, b) not liking the rows upon rows of identical items, which depress the hell out of me, c) the canned and stifling atmosphere of malls and department stores, and d) the relative lack of options in retail stores, where one or two styles and maybe 4 colors seem to dominate.

    Thrift stores represent minimal commitment. I go in, browse a rack or two, try on a couple of things, maybe drop $6 on an outfit or two--and if I don't like them a month later, I re-donate them. It's clothing rental!

    I hate hate hate to shop for clothes and just about everything else, and I am not a fan of thrift stores, so no. I will go to Ross every few years but mostly don't see things in my size or that I would like to wear.

    I do it occasionally, partially because in NYC one does have a hope of finding some designer clothes for very cheap. I recently got a cute Laundry skirt for $6. (I don't know much about fashion, but I like the idea that I can get it for cheap at SA or Goodwill.) Unfortunately, 95% of the time, the stuff at a thrift store is crap, so you have to be in a particular mood when you go.

    On the other hand, I'm with JustMe about the bedbugs. Terrified of them. But if you hermetically seal what you buy and pop it in the dryer, you should be fine--heat kills the bugs.

    I almost never shop at thrift stores. I've found some cool jewelry on occasion, but they NEVER have real clothing in my size that is cute (even in my former college town, sadly, where there are lots of petite girls milling around and selling their castoffs).

    Second-hand and inexpensive vintage stores were a godsend in high school. There was even one where everything -- clothes, shoes, children's toys, everything -- was piled into giant unsorted mounds on trestle tables, and they charged you fifty cents a pound for whatever.

    I don't do thrift stores so much, simply because there's only one where I live now, part of a chain, and it seems to top out around size eight. But I'm not opposed to it.

    The trick, for me, when I'm in Puddletown, is to say, "I am going to these three thrift stores. I will spent two hours doing so." Then I don't get irritated by the fact that you literally have to look at every single piece of clothing on the racks for your sizes, and that you can't go in with any sort of plan (e.g., "I am looking for a blue knee-length skirt").

    In general, I hate shopping, because I hate most clothes available on the market today. For this reason, second-hand stores are great, because they offer style options. But if you wear above a size twelve, most thrift stores (with the exception of the Goodwill) can be a complete waste of time, and I sympathize.

    It's interesting that (as heu mihi pointed out) so many of you who love to thrift mention that you hate to shop. I actually love shopping, generally speaking, although individual shopping trips can be stressful (like when I need something specific and can't find it, or when nothing looks good on me. Maybe I really just mean, I love buying stuff?).

    But I'm also hugely conformist, and so I prefer to be, not necessarily "in" fashion, but not so far outside of it to draw too much attention to myself. (I also actually like a lot of stuff in the stores these days, though that waxes and wanes with different fads.) So buying new clothes is much less anxiety-inducing than figuring out what to do with past fashions. (I also think that trying to "pass" as younger among my classmates has something to do with this. And I have a really weird aversion to being stuck in the past, which is too neurotic to go into here, which also kind of manifests in wanting current clothes.)

    Dr. V - yes, I am incredibly bourgie. :-)

    Laura - I'm sure there are some of those around here, too! I just never find them.

    clio's disciple - yes, fit is a huge problem for me, too. I remember a time about 3 sizes ago when almost everything fit me (even if it didn't look good) - I must have been sort of standard-sized at that point, and I bet I could have found more stuff thrifted (it wasn't really on my radar at that point). But now, very much not!

    travellia - yes about fit, and about location. The friends I mentioned were in 1) a big urban area and 2) a smaller but very wealthy town. When I lived in a small rural town, thrifting would have been even more frustrating than I find it now.

    Somebody who does thrift - those are great reasons, and I think I haven't really encountered the resale stores as much as the bargain basements. That would make a difference. Also, the pushing boundaries thing is interesting: I think partly, I'm just not very daring/brave, fashion-wise; I find it much easier just to go with what the department stores are showing!

    Dame Eleanor - yes, I think the bougieness is a big element of the shabbiness-tolerance. Not that I think others' thrifted clothes look shabby on them, mind you - it's a mental thing.

    Janice - you know, if I could sew, and alter stuff, I think thrifting would be much more appealing (a lot of the bloggers I read who are into thrifting are also sewers). I have been pondering trying to learn to sew, just so I can make myself stuff that fits properly - that's a great skill!

    Anastasia - I think it has come up before that you and I are kind of each others' fashion antitheses. :-) (The grandma clothes comment made me think of a recent photo post on Dooce, where her cousin? niece? young friend? was wearing a psychedelic neon patterned long polyester dress [thrifted] that they decided a Mormon housewife made in 70s and shocked everyone by wearing to church. It was totally awesome, but so not anything I'd ever wear!) But I'm realizing I'm also just not very good with the imagination part - that seems to be what I'm missing the most. I like fitting myself into a pre-created story (I don't think that's an especially good thing, it just is).

    Oh, but I do like Ross better than TJMaxx! Mostly for non-clothes stuff still, but yes, better. I will favor Ross where possible. :-)

    Nicole - I agree about being able to mix/match everything half-asleep! (Mostly because I'm so not a morning person.) In my ideal wardrobe, everything would go with everything else. Which probably conflicts with wanting lots of different clothes...

    JustMe - ugh, bedbugs! Luckily, I think most of that epidemic passed us by (someone local recently made a comment about being scared of bedbugs and we all kind of went, huh?). One more thing to worry about!

    heu mihi - I think you may be right that there's a bond between hating to shop and liking thrift stores. I'm big on consumption (not saying this is good) and I quite like seeing, for instance, stacks of fresh new sweaters all neatly arranged in different colored piles. I also really like spending money (I just dislike not having any with which to do so). :-) I do find department stores more overwhelming than smaller stores (but have been frequenting them of late because of larger suit selections). And while I understand why thrifting is so much better in terms of cutting down the production and waste of so much STUFF, and I applaud that, it's not something speaks to me emotionally (even though it should).

    Undine - you are the exception to the hates to shop = likes to thrift axiom! Interesting.

    ianqui - yeah, I would imagine that NYC would offer a whole range of options not always available in other parts of the country. (Which could be overwhelming in itself!)

    History Enthusiast - it's frustrating how *narrow* the range of readily-available sizes seems to be; can't be too big or too small! (I wonder if wearing sizes that are a little tougher to find make people less likely to get rid of their stuff? Creating a terrible cycle of size-less-ness?)

    Notorious - yes to the size thing again (I definitely wear above a 12!). Also, as this conversation continues, I realize how much my shopping is plan-driven - I usually *am* looking for e.g. a blue knee-length skirt, or a shirt to wear under a specific jacket, or something like that. Even if I'm not looking for specific items, I'm looking for types of things: "work" clothes, or conference clothes, or whatever. I guess I've been broke enough for long enough that I just don't think of clothes shopping as something I can do when I feel like it, to see what there is, rather than fulfilling specific needs. (I mean, it happens occasionally, but it's not my usual method - in part because I've had to revamp my wardrobe to get more lawyer-y stuff, so it always feels like I'm trying to fill a wardrobe gap these days.)

    Anyway. Thanks all for the fascinating comments!

    I thrift quite a bit and love it. I tend to just shop at one place in my neighborhood and go there frequently enough that I know the merchandise - so can go through quickly to see what is newer. This particular store tends to have larger sizes and often has fun handmade stuff and vintage stuff.

    My style is anthropologie-esque, but can't really afford to shop there all the time, so thrifting helps me find some unique items to mix in.

    At another thrift store recently, I found two amazing tweed jackets - I use the both for interviews.

    As always, I am fashionably late to this party. :)

    When I graduated law school and was admitted to practice, I shopped at thrift store quite often. I couldn't afford anything else. I know the concern of wearing other's clothing, but often you find items with the tags still on. Many department stores take their excess inventory to thrift stores because it's a tax break. They can't have the excess inventory, so they write it off.

    I haven't shopped in thrift stores for quite a while. I am not sure why.

    I think part of the frustration for many is the way women's fashion is sized. One designer's 10 is another designer's 14, and so on. At least with men's clothing, it's based on measurements, waist and inseam for pants, for example.

    Learning what cuts work for your and then finding them are the key, and sadly the hardest part, but once you figure that out...live long and shop!

    I also think that there is a "bougie" element, but I was interested to hear the folks who thought that people with a wealthier background would be more opposed. I grew up in a pretty well off family- one of those areas/families where people would qualify as rich by sociologists standards but insist they are middle class. Perhaps for that reason there was a kind of cachet to having somebody say "nice dress" and saying "oh this, I got it for $10.") So there is, I think, at least anecdotally, a kind of variant in which being well off encourages thrifting. I think it occurs when you have people from well off backgrounds such that they don't think people will think they bought things used because they are poor who also want to suggest that they are "in the know."

    Somebody who does thrift -- Oh, you're totally right about the 'shabby chic' cache of thrift. I've encountered that before.

    And hey, popped back on to say I remembered something that I *did* regularly buy second hand: men's Levi's 501 jeans. There were two *great* stores in LA that were wall-to-wall 501s of every imaginable wash, length, and waist size, with multiples of every size, so you could grab a stack in the wash/length/waist you wanted and try them on until you found the pair that had been shrunk by someone whose body matched yours. And often, they were $10-15 bucks. *Much* better than doing the whole shrink-to-fit/breaking-in routine on your own. Despite having hips, I always liked a low-slung, classic American jean look, and for some reason the men's 501s worked on me (well, back when I was running), so I was in heaven.

    Reading all the comments, I kept thinking "Hm, LA had lots of wealthy people, so how come I didn't like the thrift store offerings?" and I think maybe it's because there was too much "of-the-moment trendiness" involved in both the people shedding their clothes and the people buying/sorting them for the store. So what Anastasia says about the people shedding last year's look was ramped up in LA to *yesterday's* look. (For the record, when I give away clothes, it's because I've changed sizes and they don't fit. Otherwise, I wear things that look good for *years*.)

    Also, Anastasia's description of the principle of shopping in thrift and discount stores made me realize that really, I'm just lazy. *That's* why I don't thrift much. (Well, and the fit thing.) Ross/Steinmart/Loehman's, though, I find easier for some reason. Can quite put my finger on it.

    And now, with the plantar's warts and bed bugs stories, I am SO NEVER thrifting EVER again! Ack!

    One thing that I don't think anyone has mentioned (although I only had time to quickly skim the many comments) is how often you can find brand new clothes with tags at thrift stores. I have been to three of them in the past few weeks. My not-thin-petite size isn't super common, but from those three trips I have gotten multiple skirts, gorgeous dress pants (retail $175), five blouses, a couple of dresses, and a few other things, that fit, all new with tags! And I'm sure I didn't spend more than $75 total.

    I don't thrift. I don't even enjoy poking through clearance racks at stores in the mall. I feel overwhelemed and I HATE that I have to look at every single thing to find that special item. Time is valuable to me so if I feel like something is taking too long then it's not worth it to me. I won't care that I spent $4 if it took me a long time to find it. I realize that's a little snotty, but I also know how frustrated I get when things take too long. (What can I say, I'm not a patient person!) I want to be able to do many things in one day and thrifting doesn't allow that.

    There's also the problem that I've never walked in a second hand store that has stuff I like. We've gone into a couple around here and they've been pretty sad looking. I think that impacts whether one thrifts--some people I know live near some much nicer thrift stores. Where I used to live had a great one for teens--all high end brands for teens, and it was a rich area. I always took my niece and she always found things she normally wouldn't be able to afford.

    The Marshalls in that area was always a little unorganized, but in other areas it isn't. Never seen a Ross though. I always poke through JCPenney's clearance (bought kids clothes for family members, dirt cheap!). I also try to participate in rewards things at stores I like so that I never pay full price for anything, even if it is from the store.

    Not only do I hate clothes shopping, but apparently I have no imagination at all. I really need to see, e.g., stacks of the same shirt in four different colors, next to a rack of sweaters that match them, in order to put together an outfit at all. So thrift stores, T. J. Maxx, etc. are hopeless for me, because I have to do all of the work of figuring out what goes with what and in what size ... and I'm simply not equipped for it!

    But I also hate malls. So twice a year I go to my local Kohl's, the nearby L. L. Bean, and the Eddie Bauer outlet and buy clothes. And then I wear those clothes pretty much until they wear out. (And yes, I'm as fashionable as that description makes me sound!)

    I have to admit I'm kind of amused by this post, because I tend to think of Marshalls and TJ Maxx as vaguely upscale, the sort of places where my mother shops, and where I feel like I'm being transported back to my suburban middle-class childhood now that I can afford to shop there. (I recognize that really upscale stores exist, but I don't think I've ever been to one; they don't register on my radar most of the time.)

    And yeah, pretty much all the clothing I owned as a grad student, including my job interview suit, was from the thrift store. Back in Grad School Town, you could find some damn nice stuff there. (In Deep South Town where I currently live, not so much; I've pretty much given up on the thrift shop here except for the used book racks, which are fantastic.)

    I imagine a lot of this has to do with upbringing -- there are certain types of spending that I've been conditioned to think of as wasteful, such as spending more than the bare minimum on clothing or hotel rooms, whereas spending a lot of money on, say, food or electronics is OK. I imagine there are other families where it's the exact opposite.

    I'm not enough of a shopper to have the patience to thrift. There was one store, the UCSF medical center thrift store, in graduate school, where I did get great stuff. But otherwise ... rarely, it has to be really upscale for me to like it.

    I am very good at those 75-90% off sales in fancy stores, though, and I claim I save just as much money doing that.

    People who'd like to help the less fortunate can also go to Goodwill for some back-to-school shopping. Check out this video. http://youtu.be/oD8ZiathS9s

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