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    Thursday, December 31, 2009

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    Hubby is ABD and in law school.

    Did you have trouble getting student loans because you have a terminal degree?

    I don't miss it either, though I keep hopping back into it on a part-time basis. I've actually come to like the part-time stuff. I choose to do something because I like it. I have no obligations beyond teaching my students, and I'm not all angst ridden in hopes of landing a tenure-track job.

    In some ways, I miss the stability of my former life, having the steady paycheck, especially, but I like the control I now have to choose my work, to choose how much I work and what that work entails. I'm hoping to become the next Julie Powell, but if that doesn't happen, I have many different fallback plans.

    Oh, and by the way, tell your friend that being on the admin side may make her crazy. Because at a lot of places, they won't let her teach, but will dangle that out there to keep her there (it's not just me that this has happened to, but many of my friends in teaching and learning centers, educational technology or language centers). Also, the faculty tend to snub you because in their minds, you failed as a faculty member. And even if they don't, you will be reminded every day of what you used to do, what you could do. That's one reason I suspect you don't miss it. Your life is very different from academic life, as is mine. We're not reminded every day of what was.

    Interesting post, NK ... and I'll chime in as one of those who doesn't miss higher ed at all, although in my case that's partly because my current life isn't so radically different from my former life. (Still writing on the board every day!)

    Since your friend got into higher ed because she loves teaching, feel free to put her in touch with me if she'd like more info on teaching in independent high schools. Again, that is not THE answer, but it is AN answer, and in my case has been so very much more satisfactory than my higher ed career ever was.

    I'm with WN-- if your friend got into it for the teaching, then independent ("private") high schools may be a very good answer. If she's in English, the job market may still be tight, but I am so happy with my job, and so glad that I choose this fork in the road.

    I'm happy to hear that this has been a good move for you. I still love doing what I do, but there is a certain insularity that goes along with it that has thrown my so-called life out of balance.

    Posts like this are why I think that you're so great! I appreciate the way you take the time to reflect upon your life in such a nuanced way.

    I am truly curious to hear more about whether you like practicing law, because this sentence caught my eye, "I don't even know for sure yet if liking law school means I will like the practice of law." I hope that you do find a fulfilling professional situation in the longer term.

    @Patty - as far as I can tell, the Ph.D. hasn't had any effect on getting student loans. I tell them I have one, and they hand out the loans just as same as if I didn't. (They give me the total estimated by my school for annual costs, tuition & living expenses. I don't take quite the whole, but they give it to me without a hitch.) My sense was that as far as taking out loans is concerned, you can never be too edumacated! But I'd never taken out student loans before this, so I don't know if that has any effect or not.

    @Laura - you know, you and NLLDH should meet up sometime, because I think you would have TONS to talk about (I think information literacy people and information technology people share a lot of the same burdens!). Your points about admin are really good -- I do think my friend is trying to get into admin so she can stay in the academy, but that the things you mention would bother her and it would continually remind her of what she doesn't have. It definitely helps me not to be surrounded by my former profession!

    @What Now? and Jackie -- thank you, I will definitely talk to my friend about independent school teaching, because you guys are right, I think it would suit her very well. I'm not sure why it hasn't come up already, in fact, although I think she *might* have some previous experience in that field and have chosen to leave it. I also think she's still in the mindset that if she leaves academia to do a job that doesn't require a Ph.D., the years she spent earning it will have been a waste. (I totally don't get that mindset -- I wouldn't be the person I am now if I hadn't got my degree, even though what I'm doing now doesn't require it, so I just can't think of it as a waste. But I think that's where she's at, right now.)

    @Bright Star -- thanks! :-) I should add that I'm really hopeful that I will like practicing law; I've enjoyed the jobs I've had so far, and while one of those jobs was not really the kind of thing you can really do long-term out of school, the other job was, and I'd be perfectly happy doing it after graduation. But it is a law school axiom that law school doesn't really prepare you for practice, and that some people who hate law school love practice and vice versa, so I'm just trying to keep an open mind and not assume that everything will automatically fall into place (without some work on my part, at least!).

    The aspect of legal practice I'm most curious/anxious about is dealing with paying clients, because my experience so far has all been in government stuff. But I will be working for a firm this summer (with real live clients!), so that will be really useful experience which should give me a better sense of possible futures. My sense right now is that even if I hate private practice, I could be pretty happy working for the government (of the state/country/whatever) -- but you know, am just trying to be cautious.

    (Hi, Notorious! :-D)

    Thanks for continuing to share your insight that there indeed IS a world outside the ivory tower ;-)

    This is really interesting for me to read, having left academia myself to go back to school. I left of my own free will, and despite leaving what I had thought was my dream job, it was easy to go. It helped me that I was leaving for something else I really wanted to do, and it still helps that I get do do some of the things I did in academia that I loved--reading, writing, talking about things I'm interested in.

    Honestly, I think if I miss anything it's the "idea" of being a professor...if that makes any sense at all.

    I hope that you WILL like practicing law, but I know what you mean about not being sure just because you like law school.

    And I didn't have any trouble taking more loans when I went to seminary with a PhD either.... Sallie Mae seemed happy for me to pile on as much new debt as I could.

    I need to return to this post again and again. As is clear on my own self-pitying blog, I'm not over the cleaving separation of my self from The Academy. As soon as I'm up to it, I'll link to this post with my own reflections (including thoughts on my frustrating inability to keep myself from being exposed to the old life in academia).

    Found you through GeekyMom. I'm not in academia but found this to be such a well written and fascinating post. I'll be back.

    I come from a different perspective -- I went to law school, clerked for two years, then worked at a federal agency for 2.5 years -- and then decided that it was not the life I wanted. So I do struggle with the -- why the hell did I do that? -- feeling. But I'm very happy that I stopped. It just wasn't for me. Nothing is a waste if it puts you on a path that is more personally satisfying and peaceful.

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