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    Sunday, May 10, 2009

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    Thank you for this post -- Hubby is starting law school next year.

    I've seen the "Law school is hell on relationships" claim before -- and then I realized that, no matter how busy Hubby is next year, at least we'll be in the same city.


    I really like this post as I imagine that few can imagine the personal strain of a PhD - the selection of topic, being tops of all your classes - midpoint is not good enough for the bulk of you classes, then the prelims - as I was told that they were about deciding if I could fish or cut bait...one exam, 5 parts - 5 days long - was given 24 hours a section for 5 dayss.. I don't fear the bar after that hell. You have to say "all in" as you risk the last 3 to 4 years of life to be allowed to continue....Poor performance - and you disappear into the night - as you may get the we're sorry, but you're just not PhD material talk.. I have seen it happen.

    Then the dissertation battles start... personality conflicts with the advisor when you are challenging one of his theories in your dissertation...

    The PhD is is a knife fight of academic degrees - it is a personal battle between you and your committee - can't hide in a large class as one of the crowd.

    Unfortunately, getting the PhD is the easy part of the getting the golden apple of tenure - it is the assitant prof time that is hard as you are expected to put together an equivalent body of work as in the PhD dissertation while teaching, grant writing and advising gradual students while satisfying the senior faculty bastards that you are working to feather their nest too....


    This post was fascinating to me. I did not know the relationship history, so that was interesting. I wonder how much the various ups and downs you describe might also be a function of the moment in your lives each of you were at. This does not necessarily correlate exactly with age, but it does seem as though some of this might correspond with that phase in life where one is deciding what to do with their lives in this way for the first time. Perhaps going through another big transition moment with law school at *this* point in your life just won't involve as much tumult--similar to the way in which you described how you're not making the best friends in your life in law school like you've heard people say you would, in part because you're just not at that point in your life anymore.

    I agree with you that a lot of the "ZOMG your relationship may not survive this!!!" is more aptly aimed at people who are ages 22-26, which is usually the window in which when college relationships flame out. (That is to say, this may be more of a life-cycle issue than a Law School-making-your-partner-unhappy issue.)

    And now that you detail your own torturous professional journey and that of NLLDH, going to law school seems like a slice of strawberry pie, doesn't it? (Your experiences are similar to those I've seen and heard of among academic couples.)

    My husband just finished his 1L year in an evening program-- he's 34, I'm 30, we've been married for seven years and have twin first-graders. So yeah, while law school was a stressor this part year, it was mainly the time-crunch, since he was working during the day as well. But we have survived much larger and more serious stresses on our marriage before law school!

    Wow. Thanks so much for this post. I finished law school a long time ago and felt that although it was difficult, it was manageable. After graduating, I proceeded to get a legal job (not a practicing attorney, but one of those alternative careers for JDs) and happily pursue my career. Then I met a graduate student. Ah the frustration! "The dissertation" looms over our relationship. The process never ends--I thought he would be finished a long time ago--I remember him saying "I'm almost finished--just give me a few months" three years ago. Sometimes, I secretly wish he would abandon the PhD and go to law school--it's so clean and easy--3 years, one bar exam and you are done!
    Oh well. Kudos to you for surviving it--I can't imagine what it would be like if we were both graduate students.

    Rokeya and Historiann, you're absolutely right - I kind of thought of that in conjunction with my last post, that the relationship stress stuff may be just as much life-cycle-y as the friendship stuff. So that's definitely something to factor into my (so far) lack of relationship stress.

    philosopherP - yes, exactly! Being in law school but living with my husband is much less strain (so far, anyway) than not being able to live with him!

    Fester, I do think that the strain of grad school is largely invisible compared to the strain of law school - I mean, the general public expects going to law school to be HARD, but tends not to see going to class and reading history books as HARD in the same way! (This might have been different if I'd done my Ph.D. in, say, neurosciences...)

    Though I will say that I didn't feel at my grad program that there was a great deal of competition about grades, basically because everyone was expected to get all As (maybe one B was okay) (there were no plus/minus grades at that time); being tops in your classes is WAY more important here in law school (because since you're on a curve, only a very few people can claim those grades!). Ironically, I still found grad school more stressful in that respect - I mean, if everyone's getting As, they don't mean anything (although getting the B can really suck); it's sort of a given that people will get As, so it doesn't provide any reassurance that you are in fact doing well and succeeding, and so you have to try to glean your success from other, more intangible and subjective evidence. Whereas an A in law school is a VERY CLEAR sign of success (which isn't to say that lower grades should be taken as a failure; because of the curve, and your whole grade being based on one exam at the end, you can get a poor grade on something you actually understand quite well. Plus, grades are a fairly sucky indicator of future success as a lawyer. But at least if you get an A in law school, you can feel pretty sure it distinguishes you from most of your classmates, which was never the case in grad school).

    Jackie, congrats to your husband! Glad you and he are surviving it - I do feel that by going to school full time (NOT working on top of it) and without kids, I am not experiencing the most stressful kind of law school there is!

    yasmine - yup, that's pretty much the dissertation. And the clean and easiness of law school is one of the things that made it appealing to me!

    Oy. I'm just finishing up my 1L year, and my girlfriend and I survived it reasonably well (we were in separate cities, but she's moving to Chicago with me because she's getting her master's degree at my school next year). But since I want to teach, I'm probably headed for a Ph.D. post-law school. And I thought that the hard part was over....

    I'm late to the party... but what a nice walk down memory lane! It takes me back....

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