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    Like many other things, I think the generational divide between the Boomers and those of us younger folks is coming to a head in academia.

    The thing is, the boomers are so accustomed to being the majority that when another group actually gains some voice, they are more than a little disturbed.

    Of course, I saw the Obama/Clinton conflicts as a generational thing as well...

    well, you know for boomers, anyone who is not out on the barricades is not really a liberal. if you don't protest, you're not left enough.

    Sound bitter much? I am so sick of how the boomers make Generation X/Y out to be politically inert. Give me a break.

    Thanks for bringing this article up, New Kid. It's actually quite insightful, I think, given the little experience I've had on campus (and anecdotes from friends elsewhere).

    It also, I think, tangentially, ties into a discussion we're having at Modern Medieval about "applied medievalism." Although we're talking about "outreach" there, that's a part of "activism" more generally.

    NK---you wrote a post about the generational divide maybe a year ago? Two years ago? It was the first thing I'd read that spoke to my experiences as a new faculty member. Things haven't changed at my campus---if anything, they're worse as more new faculty members are hired. I'd like to see someone discuss the role of administration here as well, as I think it's a crucial unacknowledged part of the "psychodrama" going on at many institutions. My sense is that the Boomers had contentious relationships with admin, and were required to do a good deal of organizing to address their concerns. There can be a sense of suspicion that remains and colors interactions btw. faculty and admin. 30-somethings may not have the same relationship to the administration at all, whether because of the changing structure of higher ed (hello, assessment!), or economics, etc. In my experience, to acknowledge any possible logic in the admin position is to be perceived as a complacent tool.

    Sorry for the long-windedness here!!

    kfluff, I think that's absolutely right! At least at one of my previous jobs, "governance" was a sacred cow for sr faculty that it just wasn't for jr faculty, for whom "governance" often meant doing a lot of extra work in areas in which we had no training. And yeah, seeing logic in any admin positions was suspect, definitely.

    I think this article is so interesting, and definitely resonates with my own experiences in academia... I think it's particularly acute in women's studies programs, where one is dealing with Boomer vs. Gen X/Y feminists.

    Thanks for posting and writing about this.

    Just wonder (as someone who is a boomer) whether there is a gender dimension? I.e. female boomers have a somewhat different take than do male boomers?

    I also think that commitment to governance comes with time -- you begin to see where the corporate university would take us, and faculty governance seems more important.

    I certainly have had colleagues who saw administration as "the enemy", but I tend to just think there are structural roles that administrators have that necessarily are different from faculty roles. And we each need to do our bit.

    NK, I read the article and thought it was very interesting but more than a bit clueless about how campus environments have changed over the last forty years (and, to be honest, that's the time frame we're talking about going from 60s grad student days to retired professors today).

    The demographics have changed, the expectations for hiring and tenure have changed, the society has changed -- to expect today's new hires to look like or react like those people hired in the 60s would be strange. And I don't think that the approaches of the 60s and 70s are necessarily the best for today: whether in seeking social justice or performing our academic duties.


    NK, so glad you posted about this!

    Given the sheer difficulty of GETTING a tt-job, GenX faculty might indeed refrain from storming the barricades. Perhaps, as you point out, this reflects the influx of women in the academy; i.e., when you're pregnant, have a 17 month old, receive no paid leave, and havelooming tenure requirements, you don't have a lot of energy leftover for public demonstrating.

    I think also that, having been an adjunct, I fear that my so far untenured job could be taken away at any time. The academy looks ENTIRELY different now than it did when Boomers first got their jobs. Protesting Walgreen's (as the article points out some tenured Boomers did) struck me as an activity available only to those with time and tenure.

    The other thing, though, and this is just my frustration generally with demography, is that a lot of Boomer "protesting" (while accomplishing great things) also made a rather large and self-indulgent social and institutional mess. Some of that angry energy could have been, could still be, focused towards issues of contingent labor. And maybe we'd all be in a different boat, now.

    To some extent I think there's a gender dimension, but I don't think that it's radically different for male and female 30-somethings in the professoriate , whereas I do think that there is a radical difference generationally. The reality is that the ramped up tenure requirements are the same for everyone, the extended period of apprenticeship is extended for everyone (whether through post-docs or adjuncting), and the house prices are higher for everyone - whether one is single/partnered, male or female. I've got colleagues who've been at my institution for 20 years who got hired without publications, who got tenure without publications, who were able to buy a house in moderately desirable areas without an influx of cash from parents or a spouse in a high-earning field without living like they were in graduate school for years in order to save for a down payment. The material reality of the profession - both economic and in terms of job expectations - is just a lot different now than what it was even in the 80s, let alone in the 60s.

    I agree, Dr. Crazy, but I'm sure there are/were significant differences between the experiences of Baby Boomer male and female faculty. For one thing, I think there are many more female faculty now than among the Boomers, which probably made it harder for Boomer women than 30-somethings, in some respects. For instance, I know many more Boomer women faculty who decided not to have kids because they didn't feel they could do kids and a career, than I do 30-somethings (most of whom want both), or than male Boomers, many of whom had kids because they had SAH-wives. That doesn't always make for a simple relationship between 30-somethings and Boomer women, of course - I also take Maggie's point about the difference between Boomer and 30-something feminisms - I've definitely seen that.

    I will say that fewer of the women Boomers I've known have touted the importance of ACTIVISM!!! than the men. But when I think about it, in my experience I've seen a difference between women Boomers at big research places and those at small schools, maybe due to a focus on research rather than on the school community as a whole?

    Janice, I don't think the point of the article was to address all those things - but I guess the reason why it resonated with me is that of course all those changes have taken place, but nonetheless, at least in some places, the Boomer faculty have dominated despite those changes. So therefore while the 30-somethings are kind of the product of a whole series of changes, I still think there is (or can be) a stark difference between Boomer/30-something faculty, without implying that campus hasn't changed since the Boomers. I didn't take it as suggesting new faculty should be like the Boomers. (Yeah, something more in-depth would have addressed the changes you mention, but I was just so struck that an article addresses the generation gap at all!)

    Lettriste, the protesting Walgreens kind of got me, too. And I agree about the issue of contingent labor.

    Susan, I agree that commitment to governance comes over time - especially because in some institutions, jr faculty don't really have any opportunity to participate until tenured anyway (I've been at a place like that, and I've been at a place where all faculty contributed equally from the start, except on things like T&P, that is). But I do think that sometimes sr Boomer faculty commitment to governance takes on a "you can't trust the establishment" stance that 30-somethings just don't feel, since we (like many of our students) are pretty good with the establishment (though this varies, I think, with institutional culture. Rural Utopia is EXTREMELY invested in faculty governance, which is overall a good thing, but the problem is that it's such an understaffed institution that governance becomes a way to work the faculty even harder. But it's an institution in which I have a hard time seeing faculty governance really being overthrown, for a whole range of cultural reasons, despite sr faculty concerns about the "apathy" of jr faculty. Conversely, governance at Former College was extremely top down, so whatever your commitment to governance, it was hard to do much about anything anyway. But then, I don't think most of the Boomers at Former College were out protesting in the 60s, anyway - it wasn't that kind of place!)

    My favorite line in the article was this one: "In general, information on professors’ political and ideological leanings tends to be scarce." That scarcity of info didn't stop a whole lot of speculating based on the one survey, and I thought the comparison of the two sociologists was interesting--definitely most interesting on the gender/family issues--but also somewhat limited. There are plenty of younger sociologists at the two schools I have recently taught at doing qualitative studies much like the research the older sociologist does.

    I do think there have been some huge, huge changes in universities that shape the ways faculty experience their careers, but the political ideology seems to explain only a small part of that. I wish the article had done some of the work that so many of the comments here are doing in terms of the gender analysis.

    My graduate department has been ripped apart by conflicts between Boomer faculty and those from this missing middle generation (faculty in their 40s). Many of the social, academic, and cultural issues at play during this division resemble the ones discussed in this article. Indeed, faculty members that grew up in the 70s seemed to have less patience/more annoyance with the Boomers.

    I note acidly that, in classic NYT fashion, this article ignores entirely the fact that this issue has already been raised, in exploring the rift between 2nd and 3rd Wave feminists. 2nd Wavers claim that we aren't activist, 3rd Wavers claim right back that the landscape has changed, and that we work towards different issues, using different methods.

    It's a lovely, ready-made analogy that has its own developing critical literature, and Cohen couldn't be bothered to read it..oh, wait, because it would argue against her thesis that Xer profs are apolitical or moderate.

    Sorry. The NYT often irritates me.

    This is a typically great post, NK -- I think my comment will be long, though, because I'm both a Boomer (just) AND junior faculty, so I think maybe the weirdness of some of my experiences can be partly explained by some of the things you've mentioned here...

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